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Post by twistedangel on Oct 2, 2014 20:03:27 GMT
I posted this also on a facebook group
i was thinking if we wanted to further our movement maybe we could do so with a little help, it seems from various programmes and articles that we are not the only ones who feel this way about our own independance, England, Wales, N Ireland and indeed Cornwall all show signs of wanting it to, couldnt we expand the yes movement to include all these countries working together in a common cause? Think it would certainly grab attention.
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Post by woodie on Oct 2, 2014 20:16:15 GMT
I can see where you're coming from but it would just start to cloud our aim. We really just need to focus strongly on our goal. That's going to be tough enough. Believe me most of the English and Welsh I speak to do not want the uk to break up.
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Post by kirsteenie on Oct 3, 2014 2:35:23 GMT
I like this Idea actually, twistedangel - I think we can all agree that we would want it to be a very inclusive movement, sweeping the nation, joining countless other countries around the world, that at this very moment in time are too are seeking to take back their power, which was slowly taken from them. We want to join all movements support as many movements as possible that have our same current goal, of which there are many.
We need to publicly unite with all these movement as much as is possible. Knowing that all of us want the same simple thing, although some people do not realise what that is yet- it is inevitable. People are waking up all over the world. We are a movement with lots of named sub movements, but together I assure you it is part of a far greater movement. What do you think we could do like at future rallies ect or events or on social media to make people aware of this more? Independence is inevitable! So happy to be part of this incredible movement!
I know its hard what with a lot of no voters- saying the votes over, like accept the result we need to somehow let them know that this started off as politics but it's now a full on equality and human rights movement, we THE PEOPLE of Scotland, created together, we would like to stand with us. Put all economical arguments aside and just talk about basic human rights, human compassion, equality, peace, love and talk about the world, what is happening? As you yourself start to question things, so will those around you.
Sorry went on a bit there, haha.
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Post by twistedangel on Oct 4, 2014 10:13:21 GMT
i really do think it's a good idea Kirsteenie yes, i have seen facebook pages setup by welsh people who supported our movement, even the welsh political party Cymru, also seen some support but from alot of english people. I think reaching out to these groups who openly supported us and invite them to join with us, see what their thoughts are and ideas and take it from there?
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Post by lilaengel on Oct 4, 2014 10:24:50 GMT
I like the idea of being all inclusive. There seems to be a "social cleansing" ethos within the current government, where they slowly but surely erode ordinary peoples rights. This is a nationwide problem, and there is strength in numbers, especially when the ordinary folk are in the majority. We need a peaceful revolution to reclaim our island for it's citizens. 5th November sounds like a good day for that to happen  |
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Post by libra on Oct 4, 2014 19:51:41 GMT
I am with kirsteen here, i think we have to concentrate on Scotland first and once we have secured our goals here then branch out . Kind of being the catalyst for change elsewhere. Inclusion is good but the yes movement was set up initially to get independence.
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Post by Iain Guillaume on Oct 5, 2014 16:46:51 GMT
I agree, any widening of the movement could only really work once it's secured substantial gains. Support in other UK member-countries is bound to be minoritary until we've given them proof that greater engagement can work for them too.
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Post by McMurphy on Oct 11, 2014 2:44:42 GMT
I think it's important we don't get distracted, with acknowledgment's from other parts of the UK/World for this matter. I mean if others want to support us, Great! I don't think we should be looking to whip it up in the meantime though.
What I feel is a bigger concern, is the divided groups that remain!
i.e 'Radical Independence', 'Women for Independence' 'Asian's for Independence' 'The Yes Movement' etc.
Which also goes on, to include other groups that are being created.
This is Significant, because with all these groups, comes different objectives of how Independence should be, as well as a lack of communication. Meaning, as a consequence people are switching off because they are becoming tried.
If you want to engage the 'No Movement' you can't be seen losing support on your side and expect them to have the confidence or the belief to swap.
If anything we need to keep the 'Yes campaigners on the ground' as they were a large part in us getting the percentage we did! If they become tired or disinterested in politics then we're making our-self's weaker.
Also as a footnote.
For future reference's, I'm not sure it's wise having Tommy Sheridan as a primary speaker.
Fact - alot of people have lost respect for him. His credibility is damaged. That's not going to help unite the 'Yes' groups nevermind the 'No' voters!
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Post by bruce62 on Oct 11, 2014 17:34:17 GMT
I disagree. Tommy was a great inspiration during the referendum and he is an excellent public speaker. He is passionate about independence and has a clear vision of a better Scotland to aim for. Why would we not utilise this.
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Post by McMurphy on Oct 11, 2014 23:40:20 GMT
I'm not saying his support is not welcomed, but in my opinion, by having him as a main public speaker. Large groups of people will switch off and distance themselves with him.
Other yes groups, i.e 'Radical Independence' and 'Women for Independence' have already refused to share platforms with him, when campaigning and I fear rather than enhancing the movement and having all the yes groups come together, it actually may be a hindrance.
If we're going to have speaker's/representer's I would suggest someone that hasn't had bad publicity before, is all.
e.g - Aamer Anwar
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Post by Iain Guillaume on Oct 13, 2014 23:37:50 GMT
I would tend to agree with that: personally, I actually quite like Sheridan, but there are loads of people who can do just as good a job at making motivational speeches with the same vision. There's too much scandal surrounding this guy for him to be a good figure-head in the long run, especially with him always banging on about family, despite his rather dubious extra-marital business...if he ever really becomes an influent leader in the independence campaign, he'll get absolutely torn apart by media & rivals for his past transgressions. No amount of impassionned yelling into a mic will help against that!
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Post by libra on Oct 14, 2014 7:55:19 GMT
I have to disagree about Tommy Sheridan, I believe that people are entitled to a private life, whether we agree with the choice of activities in that private life or not is neither here nor there. What is important is that we all want independence and should embrace that and utilise the skills of the people within the movement. Tommy Sheridan is instantly recognisable, he is a fantastic motivational, inspirational speaker as well as being a very passionate activist, lets not forget his part in getting the poll tax axed. Having said that I understand that some people have reservations, however there are many politicians whose past is somewhat colourful who are in greater position in this country. I believe we have to come together in unity from all walks of life and backgrounds and histories and make our voice heard loud and clear that we will not go away, we will campaign for a fairer more socially just and independent country regardless of what our name or background is
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Post by kirsteenie on Oct 14, 2014 10:41:17 GMT
Hey libra, I agree but there are many other great motivational speakers who I believe are actually better than Tommy even- hi speeches and several of the other speeches at the hope over fear rally last weekend were quite angry and talked to fighting against old power structures! I think we need to find and discover new ways of doing things rather than having a similar system in place! Anyway that's just me.
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Post by libra on Oct 14, 2014 15:33:57 GMT
Oh definitely agree that new structures and ways of doing things are indeed necessary. I also agree that others can make passionate and motivational speeches. My point is about inclusion, whilst others could do a grand job, we shouldn't be pushing anyone out
please forgive me not being up on pro independence politicians other than the 'big' names,I am fairly new to being politically active. I was inspired at the rally at the weekend by a few of the speakers, Denis Curran, Sharon from the indy girls and mhairi black to name a few. I am not a member of any political party and at this moment in time have no intention of affiliating. As a movement for independence who is the figure head ? There are lots of different groups though , is there communication and contact between them? How do we move forward and keep pressure on the government? Who are this group and what are its aims and objectives and what is the plan on how to achieve the goals ?. Sorry about all the questions but I want to be actively doing something not just talking about it.
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Post by kirsteenie on Oct 16, 2014 15:52:14 GMT
I like the idea that there is no figure was it truly is a peoples movement, I also dot like it that certain people take it upon themselves to place themselves in a figurehead position! Anyway I agree with you libra we are definAtley on the same page- Darren Loki mcgarvey is a great speaker if you haven't heard him give him a look he's got loads of videos up!  |
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